19-page academic paper in November 2005 entitled "Why Indeed did the WTC Buildings Collapse", which attempted to show how the laws of physics do not support the WTC's freefall and, consequently, the official government story. He suggested 13 reasons why the official story should be challenged. While expressing doubt about the government's version of 9/11, he called for an independent investigation concerning the strange collapse of WTC Buildings #1 and #2, which were struck by airliners, as well as #7, which was NOT struck by an airliner, something the 9/11 Commission failed to do and something the Bush Administration adamantly opposed. Dr. Jones, who served as a bishop in the BYU 99th Ward and as high councilor in the BYU 10th Stake during that time, remains a faithful member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints; his daughter just returned home from serving a mission in Baton Rouge, LA.
However, Dr. Jones has resurfaced in this subforum on the LDS Freedom Forum, and apparently he posts there regularly. He makes no dramatic new revelations, but merely shares his perspective six years after the fact. He makes it clear that he and BYU did NOT part on unfavorable terms. In response to another poster, Dr. Jones wrote:
It is a concern to me as well, AGStacker. And I don't understand it. It was painful for me and my family. We will understand some day.
You know, I served as on the Stake High Council in the BYU 10th Stake then as a Bishop in the BYU 99th Ward, while I was serving also as a Full Professor of Physics. I gave it my all.
I thought I should at least deserve a hearing, a chance to hear the charges against me and answer them -- which I requested, as noted in the newspaper.
Dr. Jones also noted that he published several peer-reviewed papers on 9/11:
-- Steven E. Jones, “What accounts for the molten metal observed on 9/11/2001?”, Journal of the Utah Academy of Sciences, Arts and Letters, 83:252, Apr 2006.
-- S.E. Jones, et al. "Fourteen Points...", Open Civil Engineering Journal, April 2008.
-- K. Ryan, J. Gourley and S.E. Jones, "Environmental Anomalies at the World Trade Center: Evidence for Energetic Materials", Environmentalist, August 2008.
-- Niels Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven Jones, et al. "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe", THE OPEN CHEMICAL PHYSICS JOURNAL, April 2009.
Dr. Jones hints that the suppression of competing theories about 9/11 has caused him to question what other coverups governments may be capable of:
Yes, certainly. Clandestine weapons of war and torture are terrible. Such weapons can and have been used for false-flag attacks which are historically precedented.
In the pages of this forum and elsewhere, I have spoken against wars of aggression and against torture, and against abridgements of human freedom including the right to seek redress for grievances, the right of free speech, the right of habeus corpus, and the right of freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures -- and the right of due process when charged of wrong-doing. My experience and observation -- we are losing those rights vouch-safed in the Constitution of the United States of America by the founders.
One other forum member is still put out over the fact that BYU nudged Dr. Jones to the curb. Col. Flagg writes:
As for Dr. Jones and BYU's decision to force him into retirement... it's all pretty simple... BYU chose to distance itself from Steve's work because they didn't want the federal government breathing down its neck and the financial repercussions for BYU could have been severe in the form of reduced or even suspended grants and loans for BYU students not to mention threats to the church's tax-exempt status (501c3). It was a pure money decision, but that doesn't make what they did right, in fact, it was downright despicable. I'd like to know how it is that Dr. Jeffrey Farrer is still teaching and employed by BYU when he's come out 100% in support of Dr. Jones and his 9/11 research/conclusions? Why hasn't he lost his job yet for backing the truth? Guess it's been long enough now and decisions already made that they don't have to worry about the feds and Bush/Cheney are long gone anyway. It is this man's humble opinion that those BYU officials responsible for Steve's dismissal from the school will have to answer to the Lord some day on the other side. At best it was cowardice and at worst, betrayal.
It is only natural that the fast-tracking of the official 9/11 story would generate doubt and suspicion among patriotic Americans. The statutory protection conferred upon the official Holocaust story by Europe's Holocaust denial laws have likewise provoked suspicion and opposition in that realm; the forbidden naturally becomes more attractive. Steven Jones isn't merely another "truther"; he's a respected professor who has produced a multitude of peer-reviewed works.
And finally, this video musically sums up the skepticism produced by the official 9/11 story:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSBYdRRuLxI
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Not news. DrJones has been consistent of his views on that forum for years. I agree with Col. Flagg in the above report.
I was tortured for almost 3 years by the FBI and their friends only
because 85 years old man, Roland Sibens(chicago) convinced them that I
am a terrorist. I was tortured for working on my prosthetic legs in
the basement. I done absolutely nothing illegal or wrong. They thought
that in theory it is possible to hide bomb in them. They saw an
opportunity to get famous, so they were trying to torture me till I
sign their insane story. They tortured me using more than 100
different torturing methods and trust to me waterboarding is not how
they torture nowadays. I dont know where to find justice.
I think that after 9/11 things got out of control. Freedom fighters
became tyrants. In 1945, most Germans had an opportunity to learn about Nazis death
camps. I hope that one day American citizens will get chance to learn about people
like me, who were tortured with no reason for years.
To answer this question...
I'd like to know how it is that Dr. Jeffrey Farrer is still teaching and employed by BYU when he's come out 100% in support of Dr. Jones and his 9/11 research/conclusions? Why hasn't he lost his job yet for backing the truth?
President Hinkley is dead!
Now you should know Steven Jones is a fraud. The spectrum analysis of the so called "thermite" chips almost 100% matches that of paint and both Jones and Harrit should have known that:
"Ironically, his guru Steven Jones, the originator of the entire hoax, did analyse actual, confirmed WTC primer paint from external columns - the very Tnemec that Harrit discussed in that extraordinarily stupid "why the chips aren't paint" paper (bottom right):"
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11522262&postcount=2326
The only question remaining is whether charges of criminal fraud will be in the offing in future.
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Anonymous...Are you one of Comey's FBI disinformation agents, like the two that pretended to be Mormon missionaries on my front porch? A little older than usual...
After hours 'security' work allowed plenty of time for the thermite explosives to be laid. A fireman said the lobby was empty and windows blown out, though the distraction or plane had hit the 80 th floor. Molten metal only is possible at 2700 degrees, not the 1700 degrees of normal fires, which the black wisps filmed were indicators of a low oxygen fire. The films caught yellow orange weeping from molten metal which is sulfur added to thermite, making thermate.
30 ft. Sections of steel carried off from a crime scene in 11 days which is illegal and incriminating. Firemen not able to continue looking for survivors under threat of arrest. Planned demolition causing concrete to disintegrate into dust in the air, spreading 2-4" even across the river. Bldg fell in its footprint
. Lots of witnesses report explosions. Pancake theory left out 47 steel center supports built to withstand earthquakes, and designed not to allow elevator shafts to act as chimneys. Mideast
Food vendor in front of Twin Tower not there that day, and other people told not to go into work. Fraudulent 'study ' done 2 days after 9/11. No other building before or after with steel beams has ever melted and fallen in a controlled demolition footprint from a 'fire'.
Building 7 had no stooge plane hit it and it free fell like the towers, and BBC announced it had collapsed 20 min. before it did, actually showing it standing in the filmed background of the female reporter.
Fraudulent investigation was like so many other criminal investigations to frame the narrative and appease an apathetic public, eager psychologically to hear an answer and move on.
Find those who made insurance money, had modern designs for Bldg 7 before this event, made money on supplying the war machine on 7 planned countries or who sold a large amount of thermate. It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes.
Every Govt. agency out there has been compromised in corruption.
Pamela Cohen, you are a very confused person.
First there are no "disinformation" agents from the FBI or anywhere else. Check your paranoia please.
Second, if there was any scrap of truth to the Bentham paper, it would have been replicated and gone viral.
As it is, not only has the experiment never been replicated, but, as has been said, Jones had to know their findings were garbage.
Now it's possible he could have been swayed by someone, for money or recognition. Except Jones pulled this same stunt with "overunity", which he would know is a well known scientific fraud.
"After hours 'security' work allowed plenty of time for the thermite explosives to be laid. "
No, it does not and the fact you thing that's likely tells us how uninformed you are. You need to talk to a demolitions company.
Well Mr. Anonymous, it's 2022, and the compromised, Politicized slow roll FBI has been proven pretty dirty, so let's graciously put your 'disinformation denial' to bed. The FBI is famous for being political Guardians and Security for the Just Us crowd.
So, check your Fanatacism and professional jealousy.
I bothered to discuss many points that cast doubt on another drawn out 'investigation', which was just another waste of money and an insulting controlled scam.
When the Mormon Church punishes one of tbeir own who is a Truthteller, it's personal bs, or involves money, power alliances or traded favors or influence. With the age of your 'Prophets', like Biden, it could also just involve Mental Decline. Forget the righteous 'revelation' station.
Fyi: Earned distrust or rational trust does not equate with Paranoia.
I am sad to hear of your suffering. Have you ever heard of the historian Eustace Mullins? He wrote several books including 'Murder by Injection. The Story of the Medical Conspiracy Against America'in 1988.
He was harassed by the FBI for interviewing Ezra Pound who was locked up in a mental institution for his views and for writing controversial material the power structure felt threatened by.
Mr. Mullins sued the FBI and won, as they never showed up at the trial.
When leaders are corrupt, harm follows.
You are anonymous and by your baseless one item remark, a shill. For whom, pray tell?
Jack Mormon, so you keep a bit of the shredded blanket, just in case?
Which version of the First Vision in the LDS Church vaults do you support?
It might be illuminating to listen to a few NDE's.
Bits of truth or a polished version is propaganda. Our country can see where that has led.
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Propaganda (short definition off Google): information—facts, arguments, rumours, half-truths, or lies—to influence public opinion.
Jack Mormon: If you go with the theory that Mormons have more truth than anyone else vs. Con content, and you keep a few toes over the side of your coffin or urn for good measure,it seems you match the description of Lukewarm. We all know what that means.
Personally, I was born a Truthteller, a very unpopular type, my own Mother hated all the questions I asked. Now in my older years, I remind my Maker he made me this way. I could not take the lack of honesty, lying under diplomatic cover of entitled bestowed 'Priesthood', the inability to admit mistakes thus harming again, especially the sexual abuse of children, in the Mormon Church. I had to treat it as a learning ground, and move on.
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