Julie Rowe Discusses Her NDE Book "A Greater Tomorrow" With Mills Kershaw On KTKK

A discussion thread on LDS Freedom Forum alerted me to the existence of another LDS member who had a NDE/OBE (Near-Death Experience/Out-of-Body Experience). Julie Rowe had a NDE during an operation in 2004, but was initially forbidden from disclosing it to the general public. But she was eventually given permission to share her experience, which she does in her book entitled "A Greater Tomorrow". Some of those who've read it say there are many similarities with another NDE book entitled "Visions Of Glory" by John Pontius. FairMormon does disclose some caveats about Visions of Glory, though.

From the description on Amazon:

In 2004, Julie Rowe was a happy wife and mother. Then her health took a turn for the worse. While in a weakened state, her spirit left her body and entered the Spirit World. An ancestor named John greeted her and showed her many wonderful places there. He also allowed her to read from the Book of Life, which showed her a panorama of the earth's past, present, and future.

Julie saw the lives of many historical figures, such as Adam and Eve, Enoch, Noah, and Moses. She witnessed the Savior's mortal life, including his crucifixion and resurrection. She also saw the restoration of the Church of Jesus Christ through the prophet Joseph Smith, and the key events that have led to the Church's growth.

Then Julie was shown upcoming world events that will be both tragic and glorious. She saw earthquakes, tsunamis, famines, plagues, and wars, but she also witnessed how the Lord is watching over His people and is preparing places of refuge to protect them from the coming calamities. Julie was filled with joy as she saw the Saints establish the New Jerusalem and other Cities of Light in preparation for the Savior's Second Coming.

Prior to her return, she was told that at a future time she would be expected to tell others about her experience. That time has come.

A few of the chapters are posted online:

-- Chapter 1, The Day I Left My Body: Describes Julie Rowe's illness and hospitalization.

-- Chapter 2, The Lake: Describes her initial encounter with John in the spirit world. John reminded Julie of the premortal existence and she was shown scenes from her premortal life, and some of the roles she played there. After being shown scenes of how distressed her husband would be upon her death, it was agreed upon that Julie would willingly go back to her body, but only after she was given a “tour” and was able to learn and see more for herself what really happens in the spirit world. She was shown the War in Heaven, as well as various scenes that have played out on earth throughout the history of mankind. John reminded her about the story of her birth and the difficulty her mother had while pregnant with her.

-- Chapter 9, Earthly Cities of Light: Although the U.S. was experiencing economic problems and a few small-scale disasters, no major catastrophes were on the horizon. Nevertheless, the LDS leadership scheduled a special meeting concerning preparedness that was broadcast. They also sent letters to stake presidents asking them to determine what supplies the Saints had and how much food storage they had. So meetings were held where local leaders passed out a list asking Church members to indicate the supplies they had available if needed. Then the invitation came from the prophet for Church members to gather at camps that had been prepared as places of refuge (some would become "cities of light"). However, most LDS members refused to even consider the idea of leaving their homes; only a small percentage of the members went to the camps, either because they did not have the faith, or they were not prepared. Individuals traveling to these places of refuge were observed to be getting gas at certain stops, but were urged to bypass major cities like Denver (specifically mentioned) because they were unsafe. Mormons and non-Mormons alike were at the camps.

But LDS Freedom Forum revealed that Julie Rowe was a guest on Mills Kershaw's Drive-Time show on KTKK in Salt Lake. The show turned out to be 2 hours and 54 minutes. Here's the MP3 link:

http://radiorecast.com/ktalk/archive/Mills_Crenshaw/2014%200529%20JULIE%20ROW%20A%20PROFOUNF%20NEAR%20DEATH%20EXPERANCE.mp3

Because the program is nearly three hours long, I listened to it and have gleaned out what I considered the more interesting highlights. Julie Rowe is somewhat difficult to understand at times; she has the type of voice and enunciation that's difficult for me, but I do the best I can. Mills Kershaw was perfectly understandable. My remarks begin after the jump, and I refer to the time on the MP3 where the particular discussion took place:



-- At the 11:30 point, the discussion of her NDE begins; information beforehand is primarily background material. Julie said that the War In Heaven was both physical AND spiritual, and that earth life is a continuation of that war.

-- At the 21:00 point, Julie discussed the creation of the earth. She said the raw material came from other parts of the universe, and some of it is billions of years old, which explains why some scientists speculate that the earth itself is billions of years old. But although some of the raw material is billions of years old, the earth as a final product is much younger. She did not specify the earth's age.

-- At the 26:00 point, Julie discussed dinosaurs. She said that many scientists have incorrectly interpreted fossils and skeletons to create distorted images of dinosaurs. She said dinosaurs varied greatly in color. She specifically did not say whether or not dinosaurs and humans overlapped.

-- At the 31:00 point, she starts to discuss her visit to a hall of records. She researched Christopher Columbus and discovered that Columbus and many of his peers already knew the world was round, so he did not make his voyage to prove the earth was round. She said that the records she saw indicate many lies have been told about the Founding Fathers, all of who were foreordained to their earthly missions.

-- At the 39:00 point, she discusses Adam & Eve. She said that even after they were ejected from the Garden of Eden, Adam held the High Priesthood and obeyed the higher law. She confirmed that Adam & Eve had many children before Cain & Abel, and they were initially righteous. Julie discussed Cain, and differentiated between the Mark of Cain and the Curse of Cain. She said the Curse of Cain was that he had his Priesthood power removed, but that Cain could have repented at any time had he chosen to do so. Instead, Cain continued to sin, and she observed him turning darker in pigmentation, which has been described by earlier LDS authorities as the Mark of Cain. This mark was intended to discourage Adam's other progeny from procreating with Cain's descendants and losing their Priesthood.

-- Beginning at the 44:00 point and continuing for around five minutes, Julie discussed Noah. She said that Noah had a strong spirit and was one of the most brave, loving and courageous men she has seen. She said that building the ark was a monumental task, but reminded us that he had 120 years to finish it. Noah was depressed by the fact that as he continued to build the ark, his extended family began to turn away from him and reject him. She said the ark was larger than any other sailing vessel she's ever seen, describing it as having a flat top with a small entrance on top. She noted that there were smaller windows along the sides towards the top. She said that while some of the animals reported to the ark, others had to be gathered; this process took several months. The animals' bodies were slightly changed so they didn't need as much food as normal.

-- At the 1:01:00 point, Julie discussed Abraham & Isaac. She said Isaac was at least 30 years old when the Lord commanded Abraham to sacrifice him, and that Isaac actually helped Abraham gather the wood for the sacrificial fire. It was intended to be a test of faith for both of them. At the 1:05:00 point, Julie also confirmed the Biblical account of Joseph.

-- Beginning at the 1:05:00 point and continuing for about 15 minutes, Julie described Mary, the Mother of Jesus, saying that she had olive skin, blue eyes, and dark brown hair. She said Joseph and Mary produced additional children. She also described Jesus as very masculine in appearance, but also tender and loving. She said Renaissance painters wrongly portrayed Jesus as effeminate. She also said that when Jesus was taking upon Himself the sins of the world at Gethsemane, numerous angels and other beings from the spirit world were witnessing it from the other side of the veil.

-- At the 1:43:00 point, Julie said she was shown the Restoration in the Book of Records, and basically it verifies the traditional correlated account we have today.

Then beginning at the 2:00:00 mark, Julie begins to talk about present-day and future events. A reminder -- most future prophecy is conditional -- we can repent and deflect expected judgments. Don't forget that Nineveh actually repented the first time Jonah warned them.

-- At the 2:10:00 point, Julie said that the 2008 U.S. Presidential election was stolen. Later, in this same vein (around 2:44:00), she said that the next U.S. President won't be better than the current occupant. She gave no hint as to the gender, race, or party affiliation of the next President.

-- Continuing after these remarks, Julie said a huge financial collapse is coming to the U.S. which will include nationwide bank closures. Later in the same vein (2:18:00), she said that while paper money will continue to be used for a while after collapse, it will soon lose its value, to be supplanted by precious metals and then bartering.

-- Foreign conflict: Julie said that at least one missile will be launched at Israel from Libya, but that Iran would be behind it. A missile will strike the Temple Mount and destroy the current structures, clearing the way for construction of the Third Temple.

-- At the 2:13:00 point, Julie said the U.S. government will make an agreement with the United Nations allowing entry of foreign troops into the United States for peacekeeping and disaster relief to make up for American troops stationed all over the world. An alliance of Russian, Chinese, and North Korean troops with enter the United States under the pretext of "restoring order"; while they initially will pretend to be sympathetic towards ordinary Americans, they will stab us in the back.

-- At the 2:43:00 point, Julie said a great earthquake will strike the Wasatch Front, explaining that homes would tumble off mountainsides and large underground streams of water will break loose, triggering flooding.

-- At the 2:46:00 point, Julie said a huge fireball will hit the earth, but she did not specify whether it would be an asteroid or comet, and offered no further details.